LASPAC: Gary Johnson gets 19% in nationwide poll
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:10The Libertarian Action Super PAC (LASPAC) sent the appeal below:
We just conducted a nationwide telephone poll of registered voters. Here’s what the poll sounded like:
The results:
Barack Obama 56%
Gary Johnson 19%
Undecided/neither 25%
You may be thinking, “Why does that matter, since it doesn’t include the Republican?”
Here’s why it matters:
Gallup has been conducting presidential polls just like this:
http://www.gallup.com/pol...
Note the wording of their question:
“Suppose the presidential election were held today. If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party’s candidate and Mitt Romney were the Republican Party’s candidate, who would you vote for, Barack Obama, the Democrat or Mitt Romney, the Republican?”
It includes the incumbent, Obama, plus one selected challenger, Romney — and no one else.
Continue:
http://www.independentpol...
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Hey RonPaulRocks1 - Reality STINKS doesn't it.
Hard to drivel nonsense in the face of referenced opposition. But I have noticed the drivel continues.
How is this for drivel??
Ron will not endorse Gary Johnson... http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/15/ron-paul-campaign-rules-ou...
Gary's number one, closest, top adviser while he was Gov. is CFR leadership... http://www.cfr.org/experts/world/douglas-turner/b11203
Gary admits three months ago that:
* He supports U.S. military intervention in Uganda
* He may continue drone strikes in Pakistan
* He would keep US bases in Afghanistan and throughout the Middle East
* He supports foreign intervention for "humanitarian" reasons,ie: more foreign wars.... http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/04/12/gary-johnson-libertarian-...
Gary uses the CFR talking points to defend his neo-con positions.... http://video.foxnews.com/v/1219019580001/gary-johnson-reveal...
Yeah I know...Just more drivel.
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I am staying up later than I wanted to - and was away from the
Daily Paul in order to check out the links you provided.
MY conclusion is that Gary Johnson is unpolished and was subject to a hit piece interview by the Daily Caller where he was tripped up. It wasn't pleasant to see but he did a hell of a lot better than Herman Cain did in a similar hit piece interview with the Washington Post (I think that was the newspaper).
Gary Johnson is not the Statesman that Ron Paul is. and I think we can agree that if given the choice Ron Paul is a lot better. But since we are NOT given a choice - Gary Johnson is the best alternative.
And I still wait for you to provide me reference from Ron Paul that he revoked his qualified endorsement.
Now - I have to go to bed - so flame away in my absence.
Are you Gary's spin doctor?
Are you Gary's spin doctor? He said what he said. His comments to the Daily Caller are consistent with his comments on Fox news, also linked, in 2011. These views should not shock anyone since his top policy adviser was Doug Turner for nearly 10 years. Turner is now CFR leadership.
I still am not sure why you keep calling Ron's 2010 comment a Johnson endorsement. He never endorsed.
Let's look at it another way. Would you endorse someone and then run against them?
For a moment though let's pretend this is Burger King and that you can have it your way. If Ron had endorsed Gary (which he didn't) that endorsement would most certainly end the moment Ron announced he was running against Johnson. It's pretty clear Ron must have decided that Gary was not the best afterall.
Ron has also made clear that no Johnson endorsement will be forthcoming. http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/15/ron-paul-campaign-rules-ou...
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You DO get that Ron Paul was conditionally endorsing Gary
Yes. I am Gary Johnson's Spin Doctor, his Mac Daddy and his 23 Ski Doo.
Wait - I'm sorry but I don't speak cliche slang.
Lets try to break down a sentence from the article and see what it means.
"Asked to name other potential presidential candidates he could support, Paul replied, “I guess the best one would be Johnson from New Mexico — Gary Johnson.”
You DO get that he is conditionally endorsing Johnson as an ALTERNATIVE to himself right? Obviously he is not saying that Gary Johnson is his superior. His decision to run would have nothing to do with whether or not Johnson would continue to be the best alternative after all. Or a change in that opinion. That makes no sense.
And I asked for a reference from Ron Paul saying that HE had no intention of endorsing Gary Johnson, NOT Jesse Benton. I was quite specific about that. But thank you for the link to a Jesse Benton denial anyway. I will print it and line my bird cage with the sheet of paper
Now I am going back to bed.
Whether you love Jeese, like
Whether you love Jesse, like him, hate him, want to french kiss him, want to stab him....whatever the case may be....It does not change the fact that Ron has given him authority to speak on his behalf.
As with any campaign, there are people who speak for the candidate. Also, Jesse is married to Ron's granddaughter. So besides being a staffer he is also family. It's pretty safe to say he knows what he is talking about when it comes to Ron's intentions.
So unless you can cite something, after May of this year when Ron's campaign made clear there would be no Johnson endorsement, where Ron corrects this comment from his spokesperson it is pretty darn certain this is a done deal. Add to that the fact that Ron has never, ever, ever endorsed a pro-abortion candidate for POTUS. In fact, the three people Ron actively supported since 1976 have made being pro-life a central part of their campaigns. Add to that the fact that Johnson has admitted he is a neo-con. There will be no endorsement by Ron...At least not for Gary Johnson. I understand that you disagree, that's great! Time will tell.
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Ron Paul does a lot of talking on his own. Jesse Benton also
does talking on his own. I am not aware that Ron Paul has been cloistured away unable to speak. When I hear it from HIM I will believe.
E have people here telling us that Gary Johnson has admitted to being everything from a NeoCon (YOU make that claim) to a Liberal, and everything in between with nary a link in sight.
Gimme a link - if you want to make those claims.
Yes. Ron does do a lot of
Yes. Ron does do a lot of speaking on his own. That is exactly why he would be correcting the record if his grandson by marriage, and campaign spokesman, had attributed something to him that was not correct. Benton has the authority to speak for Ron, that is the nature of a campaign. You are free to pretend it's not true.
I gave you the links demonstrating Johnson in his own words taking and defending the neo-con positions. You explained it away by saying Johnson is not polished and was caught off-guard. Johnson is what he is. You are free to support him and deny it.
Time will tell if Ron will be endorsing Johnson. I guess we shall see.
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Johnson is a scam artist, nothing more....
He's nothing more than another scam artist.
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"I guess the best one would be Johnson from New Mexico - Gary
Johnson.”
Ron Paul 6/21/2010 the Daily Caller
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/21/ron-paul-says-gop-will-be-...
How many times are you going
How many times are you going to post the same quote... in the same thread... in the same day??
When was the last time an endorsement began with the words..."I guess.."
Also, since Johnson had only been a Gov. who was a suspected neo-con, it was not yet known for certain that he was in fact a neo-con, though his reliance on Doug Turner for policy advice was a huge clue.
Now that Johnson has admitted it, any delusions that Ron will endorse him can be wiped out by getting a good night's sleep and thinking about it with some common sense in the morning.
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As many times as YOU post that anyone who claims Ron Paul
could support Gary Johnson clearly doesn't know anything about Ron Paul.
What was your special qualification to make this statement? Oh yeah - you MET Gary Johnson.
Wow. I was so impressed by that that I was speachless.
Come on with the continuing drivel about how much better YOU know Ron Paul than Ron Paul knows himself.
Denial is a river in Egypt - and apparently where you have a beach home.
How do you debate an idiot???
Your comments make zero sense. Anyone who supports Ron can support Gary...In fact many do. I did meet Gary, that is how I know he is a very nice guy.
The point is Ron has strongly supported Ronald Reagan, Pat Buchanan, and Chuck Baldwin for president in the past.
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that Gary is vastly different, in terms of policy, than the types of people Ron endorses for PRESIDENT. In fact, a few minutes ago I believed even an idiot could figure that out...But alas I was wrong.
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How do you debate an idiot?
I am trying to do that right now. I'll let you know how it turns out.
SO far all I am getting is blustering responses with vague unlinked references to policy, and not-so-veiled insults.
I am going to go to bed though soon as I seldom lose sleep for idiots.
All references at the top of
All references at the top of thread. I suspect more denial is coming.
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In a June 2010 interview Ron Paul said he would have to support
Gary Johnson.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/21/ron-paul-says-gop-will-be-...
Sad to see 6 thumbs down for a referenced Ron Paul interview.
I guess that THIS is what our detractors are talking about when they say that some Ron Paul supporters like to live in denial.
Some even live in La-La Land.
Poor Gary Johnson
He must not have a forum of his own supporters. Pathetic.
This is a LAME and INVALID poll.
The voting population will see among other names, Mitt Romney on the ballot - and they will not see "undecided/neither." Which makes these numbers irrelevant.
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Yet still on the front page. Is legalizeliberty a mod? I realize that this is not a democracy, but this is absurd. This needs to be buried where it belongs. I am about to cancel my membership as well. It is disgusting to see this up here. I really *liked* this site before. It was(is to some degree) a great forum. I log on just about everyday. However, if it is a johnson fest here I am out. I don't trust him and I don't appreciate his hijacking of Ron Paul's movement. I am seriously tired of it. I am officially NOT voting for Johnson almost exclusively because of this. I will simply write in Ron Paul. If these antics continue, I am finished here. I know that it doesn't matter if I stay or go, it just makes me sad that some people here act like this. Depressing..
Endorsement
What will you say when Ron endorses Gary ???
I don't think that is going to happen
And if it does, I will question why. Gary Johnson is not the same as Ron Paul...and it is deceptive the way the people are trying to portray him as a ron paul like candidate. The military issue is not going to fly with Ron Paul supporters or Paul himself. Frankly, I will be disappointed with an endorsement of Johnson...and I will still not vote for him. Sorry. Go to another site please...
4 years ago
Ron endorsed third party candidates.
See link:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/ron-paul-to-...
You don't know much about Ron.....
Let's think about the people Ron has endorsed for President in the past. I can think of three examples.
Reagan in 1976
Pat Buchanan in 1992
Chuck Baldwin in 2008
Gary Johnson is not even close to the kind of person Ron endorses and to suggest he will endorse Johnson is nothing more than wishful thinking.
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Before Ron Paul threw his hat into the ring for 2012, I saw him
interviewed by the media.
He was asked if he was planning to run. He said he didn't know.
I had never heard of Gary Johnson before that and I ran to the computer to Google the name.
So you are wrong.
“I guess the best one would be Johnson from New Mexico — Gary Johnson.” Ron Paul
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/21/ron-paul-says-gop-will-be-...
Too Funny!
Johnson trolls have been trying to pull this quote out of their behinds for months trying to prove something that cannot be proven. Ron has since made clear he was unaware of some of Johnson's positions. This was also NOT AN ENDORSEMENT, clearly since Ron knew he was going to run. Also, an endorsement usually does not start with the words..."I GUESS.." LOL
Now that everybody knows that Johnson is a neo-con, it would be delusional to expect an endorsement from Dr. Paul.
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Come on big guy - find a referenced denial of this (admittedly
quallifed) endorsement. By Ron Paul - NOT Jesse Benson.
I am all ears - or eyes.
Find a reference where Ron Paul says he retracts what he said or would NOT endorse Gary Johnson.
And try to find an endorsement specifically that has nothing to do with YOUR meeting Johnson or telling us what Ron Paul thinks.
You are asking for a
You are asking for a retraction of something that never happened. There was no endorsement. The word endorse is not in the quote you are taking out of context. But nice try!
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Gary is a non-factor
As many below have stated, Gary Johnson is a nice guy. It's his policies and positions that are under attack. He is a bigger flop flopper than Mitt Romney and is so inconsistent that he makes John Kerry look consistent. The LP seems to be in a cycle of nominating neo-cons, which is what GJ is. Here is just a brief look at what a Johnson foreign policy would look like, according to Johnson himself.
Johnson says he supports U.S. military intervention in Uganda
He may continue drone strikes in Pakistan
He would keep US bases in Afghanistan and throughout the Middle East
He supports foreign intervention for "humanitarian" reasons, which Ron has warned us over and over only takes money from poor people in the United States to give to rich people in other countries...
Anyone who thinks that these positions are consistent with Dr. Paul's foreign policy may very well be so far removed from reality that they believe GJ is actually polling at 19%.
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